I'll give you a practical example of how we applied it during the COVID crisis. One of the government's commitments was to make a disability payment. We have no system that can do a one-time payment. It involved data streams from three different departments—Veterans Affairs, our own department and CRA. From the date the government said they wanted to do this to the date that cheques were in people's accounts, it was 15 weeks. That included the procurement. That included, as Mr. Lawrence indicated, elements of an off-the-shelf system, the IBM-CRM system, and then a series of one-week sprints with the contractors to make the benefit realized.
That's a practical example of agile. That was 15 weeks.