I'm not sure that I said I felt confident it wasn't happening in other departments. I feel that in the past, what I have seen is public servants who really care about making sure the books and records of Canada are well maintained.
This is a situation that I have not encountered before: to see such a glaring disregard for what I think are some of the most basic elements you would see in record-keeping in project management. There were failures at so many levels during ArriveCAN, and I think every layer of management within the Canada Border Services Agency should feel responsible and figure out what happened. I just caution that we shouldn't add more rules to complicate things as we try to address the weaknesses and failures that we found in ArriveCAN.