Okay, we will pull open that another time.
You mentioned that you had been a consultant for a number of years with the Department of National Defence. I think often we see examples of consultants who work within the department almost parallel to or often in conjunction and integrated with public servants.
Did you ever personally have such a relationship at DND in which you worked at DND HQ or worked closely with full-time, indeterminate public servants during your time as a consultant?