I would say, Mr. Chair, that it depends on the area. We've certainly seen growth in both the number of our public servants and also in our contracted dollars over the last few years. The defence budget is increasing. Both are growing.
I think we've had some interesting discussion here today around the use of body shops for IT services as well as health care workers. We do know that in certain areas of the country we are struggling to fill public service positions on a timely basis, and therefore that leads to additional temporary help contracts, etc.