Actually, 5,000 is an estimation contained in budget 2024. We expect that is the number that will result after natural attrition.
However, there is a process we will follow in phase 2 of the refocused spending initiative. It will involve consultation with all departments to identify where their needs are and where service delivery would not be interrupted through natural attrition. We do not expect, as the PBO indicated with regard to our first phase of refocused government spending, that service delivery will be negatively impacted—