On the first one, we were made aware of it by PSPC. For the second one, we were actually hiring an employee. I believe we reached out to PSPC then to have their security clearance transferred, as we were initiating our security process, and that's when we found out that the security clearance of the individual had been revoked.
This, for me, highlights part of the problem that needs to be addressed government-wide: There is a gap in information. There's this very siloed approach, and there was valuable information that was held by another department that mine did not know about. We came across it because we asked. Somehow, we have to fill that gap across the public service so that we not only rely on awareness and declarations by employees but we also acquire information that we use to vet and challenge what we're hearing or not hearing. It's what you're not hearing that you're more concerned about.