Given the outcomes, I definitely would show concern over these discussions outside of the office.
Minister, you were just indicating that you were taking steps to eliminate conflicts of interest, yet when I'm looking here at a report from last year, 2023-24, out of the 162 public servants who declared a conflict of interest, 38% of them were actually determined to be in a conflict of interest, which is an increase of 2% from the 36% before.
I'd like to ask you this, then, Minister: What is the value of the contracts of the 38% of public servants who were found to be in a conflict of interest?