I can remind you of the evidence of corruption. For example, the CBSA paid $33,222 of legal bills for Mr. Cameron MacDonald to prepare for an appearance at the OGGO committee to talk about his public service job. That's an annual salary for many Canadians. That's a lot of money, to put it in other ways. In this instance, that he would get so much money—according to a recent filing, he would get $33,000—in protection from the CBSA to try to get his story straight in some way, at an OGGO committee meeting, in addition to the fact that you've just admitted that there's an ongoing investigation.... I find issue with the fact that there could not be an instance where you can perceive corruption.
I mentioned a fact earlier, which was that we got a government document, known as appendix B, about the value of contracts between three companies—GC Strategies, Dalian and Coradix. These three companies, since 2011—pause there for a moment, because it's been going on for over a decade—have siphoned over $1 billion out of the public service into these contracts, including a profit and including a network that would have enabled these people to continue to deprive the public service and also to continue to deprive Canadian taxpayers.
That's in addition to the fact that there is this unethical relationship between members like Mr. Utano and Mr. MacDonald, who were going to big, fancy events, including a wine tasting—