Okay.
We also heard from Mr. Weber, the president of the union, that the CBSA was short-staffed by about 2,000 to 3,000 workers prior to the beginning of the pandemic, which gave way to the need for an application in the first place, and which I think tells you that if you're not working on the ground when crisis strikes, then you really have a problem. This is devastating to understand, so it gave way to the application in the first place, and the funds allocated to the ArriveCAN app could have hired 500 officers instead.
I understand that we were in the middle of a pandemic, but I'm wondering if there's any reflection on what happened prior to the pandemic and how not having enough people trained and ready created this crisis in which we've seen a huge amount of taxpayer dollars go to someone out there who's walking away with a huge amount of profit when the app didn't even work and we could have seen officers on the ground, providing services and doing it safely, if there had been planning put into place. I'm just wondering if there's any reflection on making sure you listen to the union, and that when there are not enough people to do the job, that is rectified.