Okay.
You talked about meeting with Mr. Firth two to three times while you were at the Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat as a senior government official, as a director general. You made the comment that they were like any other vendor. In response to another question, you said there was an element of understanding where the industry was heading.
My question to you, though, is this: Were you aware that GC Strategies actually didn't do any IT work? Were you aware of that at the time?