Public Accounts Committee on June 6th, 2024

[Blake Desjarlais, NDP, Edmonton Griesbach, AB]

It's actually in addition to your request for documents.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

Yes.

[Blake Desjarlais, NDP, Edmonton Griesbach, AB]

Can we also include in the request for that update in writing a request for an update on the department's response to the point the Auditor General made in section 2.34 related to the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation?

The Auditor General found that the ministry, in co-operation with CMHC, underfunded the Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba region by using outdated and old formulas.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

Would that be possible, Ms. Wilson?

[Gina Wilson]

I don't know if I can. I can't promise for CMHC.

[Blake Desjarlais, NDP, Edmonton Griesbach, AB]

In terms of the department's response....

[Nelson Barbosa]

If the question is about what data we use in terms of appropriating funds, we use current census data.

[Blake Desjarlais, NDP, Edmonton Griesbach, AB]

You use current census data in this regard, do you?

[Nelson Barbosa]

Yes.

[Blake Desjarlais, NDP, Edmonton Griesbach, AB]

That would be good if you could supply that, but I understand that this portion of the agreement speaks directly to CMHC in co-operation with ISC.

[Nelson Barbosa]

I don't believe so. I believe it's about how each department appropriates its funds. For ISC, we appropriate against current census data from 2021.

[Blake Desjarlais, NDP, Edmonton Griesbach, AB]

You're saying this is not your problem.

[Nelson Barbosa]

I'm saying there are two parties to ask that question of.

[Blake Desjarlais, NDP, Edmonton Griesbach, AB]

You have no responsibility for it.

[Nelson Barbosa]

I have a responsibility for ISC funding, for which we used 2021....

[Blake Desjarlais, NDP, Edmonton Griesbach, AB]

In this regard, it's none.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

Could you do your best, if there's an aspect that you're responsible for?

[Blake Desjarlais, NDP, Edmonton Griesbach, AB]

Just do something about it. My God.

[Nelson Barbosa]

We would be happy to provide a funding history of how we appropriate funds.

[Blake Desjarlais, NDP, Edmonton Griesbach, AB]

Can you talk to CMHC at least?

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

All right. We will get a response, and then we will take next steps.

I would thank the minister, but she's already left. That's very unusual.

[Blake Desjarlais, NDP, Edmonton Griesbach, AB]

[Inaudible—Editor]

I'll have order, Mr. Desjarlais.

I would thank the minister—

[Blake Desjarlais, NDP, Edmonton Griesbach, AB]

I'm not satisfied with those kinds of answers, Chair. I'm sorry.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

Let's get the answer back. Then this committee can take steps if you're not satisfied with it.

[Blake Desjarlais, NDP, Edmonton Griesbach, AB]

I'm not satisfied. We're not doing it. It's someone's problem.