You can always improve on what you do, obviously. What we do right now, for somebody like Ms. Verschuren, when she gets appointed, first thing, she gets a letter from us saying, “Welcome. Please fill out this very extensive questionnaire so that we can sit down with you, find out if you have a conflict and find out what has to be done.” That happens, and there are certain steps taken, most usually either establishing screens or insisting on blind trusts, etc. Then, we say, “This is your adviser, and she is there for you. If you have any problem, call her, and she will tell you if it's okay.” Then, if there is an issue and she calls them, we will help her resolve the issue. We do that.
Also, if the organization asks if we can do a briefing session on conflict of interest for their board members, we'll gladly do that. We'll send somebody over to walk them through it.
We're trying to do as much as possible, but the main thing is that you have to be aware of it. If you are in these positions, these are public trust positions. The rules apply, and they will be enforced. If you are in doubt about what it is, call us, or don't vote. If you think there's a possibility of a conflict of interest, there usually is.