Thank you.
Now, for the Ethics Commissioner's report, the Ethics Commissioner interviewed Ms. Verschuren. Essentially, the first time she heard of this was when the minister's office phoned her to ask if she would be the chair. My knowledge, based on the testimony of the former president, Ms. Lawrence, is she was told that the chair at the time, Jim Balsillie, had to be out, and that they were replacing him with someone else. They gave him about seven days' notice that he was out.
It's pretty clear to me that Ms. Verschuren didn't apply. Is that true?
Was she approached, but she hadn't actually applied in the transparent process that Minister Bains outlined here, which was a case of “you apply and then you get it”? Was she actually approached to apply?