Okay. You can't say that.
I have limited time, so I apologize for interrupting.
Ms. Lawrence was told by the powers that be that they were choosing Ms. Verschuren after she objected to her conflict of interest—they put that through the system through ADM Noseworthy—and that they would manage the conflicts.
Ms. Verschuren had companies that she had a conflict with, which had already received about $12 million from the green slush fund before she was appointed. While she was the chair of the board, her stated conflict of interest companies received almost $36 million.
I'm curious. Who in the PCO or PMO told ADM Noseworthy, the deputy minister of the day or Minister Bains that it was okay to have the first chair in the history of SDTC appointed with conflicts? No other chair had had conflicts.