Evidence of meeting #139 for Public Accounts in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was sdtc.
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As an Individual
I would, but only on the condition that McCarthy also provide all of those similar communications.
Liberal
Valerie Bradford Liberal Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON
I'm not sure we have the authority to do that, but I'm asking you if you can provide your records. I don't know if you get to dictate the terms under which you do that.
You've made these allegations, so I think it's fair that you would provide the proof to the committee. It's you who is making the allegations. Again, if it implies McCarthy, then it implies McCarthy.
September 18th, 2024 / 6:45 p.m.
Liberal
Valerie Bradford Liberal Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON
Because you've stated that McCarthy corrupted the review process, can you provide any records, emails or communication on ISED or McCarthy impeding employees, formerly or currently employed at SDTC, from participating in the McCarthy review?
As an Individual
Can you describe your understanding of what my definition of corruption was?
Liberal
Valerie Bradford Liberal Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON
It's the corruption of the review process. You're alleging that they prevented some people from participating and encouraged others to, meaning that they would skew the whole result. Therefore, we're asking you to provide the records that would back up those allegations.
As an Individual
For that situation, again, as I've mentioned, people are under NDAs. How am I supposed to...? Technically, I shouldn't even know that they tried to do this, because they were under NDAs. Again, I don't know.... You're kind of trapping me in something that I cannot do unless they are released from their NDAs. I would agree to do this as long as everyone gets their NDAs removed.
Liberal
Valerie Bradford Liberal Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON
How did you know? How did you become aware of it? I guess that's what we're trying to find out.
Liberal
Valerie Bradford Liberal Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON
I see. The employees who were.... Okay.
What about any records pertaining to ISED manipulating McCarthy's findings? That's another allegation you've made, that ISED actually tried to manipulate the findings of McCarthy. We would need to see that. That shouldn't involve any NDAs by employees.
As an Individual
I would mention the disclaimer, which I've mentioned several times, as proof. Again, if they are saying that it wasn't manipulated, why do they have a disclaimer saying that it was?
Liberal
Valerie Bradford Liberal Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON
I have no further questions.
Thank you for your testimony.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Williamson
Thank you.
I will say this to the witness. If there are other documents you wish to table, with respect to either the department or the ministry, we will certainly accept them. I know there was a bit of back-and-forth there. Upon reflection, if you feel there are documents you have that you can share with us, I think the members from all sides would appreciate that.
Without further ado, we are out of time. I want to thank Witness 1 for participating today in the study of “Report 6: Sustainable Development Technology Canada”. I know you have agreed to table several documents. If you could do so through the clerk, we would appreciate it. Again, my offer stands that should you discover additional documents that you feel reinforce your testimony or any of the questions today, we will look forward to those.
We are out of time, so I will adjourn this meeting. We'll see you back here on Monday.
Thank you very much. Have a great weekend.