I just have, I suppose, a point of clarification for Mr. Perkins.
Is the suggestion here that the minister, as a shareholder, used his influence as a minister, exerting his influence over the arms-length SDTC board, or is it, as I heard him articulate just now, that there were past funding decisions where Cycle Capital had...?
I don't know. It's obviously not a 25% stake that they have in the funding, but you're suggesting that for 25% of the funding decisions, Cycle has some stake in those entities. I think that's how you're describing it, the idea being that Guilbeault should have known that SDTC is a big funder of companies that Cycle Capital has stakes in, and that, therefore, he should have recused himself from increasing the funding of SDTC itself. I'm just trying to follow the thread here of the conflict and what the conflict allegation is.