My issue is that we're putting the cart before the horse.
Clearly, from previous testimony, I've heard opposition members say that I don't believe you or I don't trust you or I don't believe the answers that we are given, but they don't have the evidence to suggest why they're not believing what the witness is saying. That is my issue. They have made some claims that Mr. Bains is not answering questions or they don't believe what he's saying, but I have failed to get any documentation to prove the point.
Now, as a committee, without having the full story of SDTC, we are going to make a decision as to whether or not Mr. Bains' testimony was truthful. Let's understand that the minister flies at 10,000 feet, but SDTC is at arm's length, not even close to the minister's office. We've heard that from multiple testimonies. The minister's office is not involved in the decision-making at SDTC. The only relationship that ISED has with SDTC is the contribution agreement that they've signed. That's it.