Public Accounts Committee on Oct. 9th, 2024

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

I appreciate your coming in, and I'm sure the clerk will reach out to you. Ms. Khalid asked for some information, and you can submit that to the clerk as well.

In the meantime, I'm going to suspend for about three minutes.

[Navdeep Bains]

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

Thank you.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

I'm going to call this meeting back to order, please.

Members, please take your chairs.

I have two motions on the floor. I don't have the first motion yet for the clerk to disseminate for discussion.

Mr. Perkins, I'm going to turn to you. You have the floor on your motion, please.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

Mr. Perkins, I have a point of order from Mr. Erskine-Smith.

[Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, Liberal, Beaches—East York, ON]

I'm a bit confused. The traditional path here is the first motion that is moved.... It was read into the record. The interpreters interpreted it for us. We have it in both official languages.

I would like to hear from the clerk as to what the proper process is. This is backward as far as anything I've seen in 10 years.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

Mr. Genuis, do you have a point of order?

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

It's just to respectfully clarify the rules for my honourable friend.

Ms. Khalid, if you'd like to speak on this point of order, you can propose to do so, I suppose.

[Iqra Khalid, Liberal, Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON]

Would you like to do the chair's job for him?

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

You're welcome to continue heckling, I suppose. I'll just ignore you, I guess.

For the members who are interested in knowing, the process is that when there is a question of privilege, the chair rules on the question of privilege.

[Francis Drouin, Liberal, Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON]

I have a point of order, Chair.

The chair can make his own rulings. I love Mr. Genuis, but he doesn't need to explain this to the committee.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Another rule, Mr. Drouin, is that you don't speak unless you're recognized, even if you think you have a point of order, which you don't.

[Iqra Khalid, Liberal, Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON]

On that point of order, Chair—

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

All right—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

What is wrong with you?

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

Let's hear from Mr. Genuis, please.

[Iqra Khalid, Liberal, Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON]

On that point of order, Chair, we have four Conservative members in this committee right now. We have a fifth one who has come in and is now on the speaking order. I'm not sure who he's replacing here.

[Francis Drouin, Liberal, Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON]

He's not a permanent member.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Just for the Liberal members, there's a green book—you can get it for free—that explains the rules.

Mr. Perkins has raised a question of privilege—

[Francis Drouin, Liberal, Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

Has Mr. Genuis been subbed in for another member?

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

If the chair considers it a matter dealing with privilege, then privilege supersedes—

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

Hold on for just one second, Mr. Genuis.

Your whip will sub in your members as requested.

[Iqra Khalid, Liberal, Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON]

I'd like to know who he's replacing, because we have a couple of votes on order.

[Francis Drouin, Liberal, Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON]

I see four members on the other side.