Mr. Chair, I was referring back to the Ethics Commissioner's report. He did a postscript, where he said that it was an unfortunate set of circumstances where poor legal advice was provided. The issue turned on the fact that the legal advice for many of the board members was that they did not need to formally recuse themselves from decisions but to abstain, which meant that they did not remove themselves from the room.
The Conflict of Interest Act requires that individuals who are required to recuse must remove themselves from the room. It's not good enough to abstain. That was the poor legal advice that they received, which was the foundation of why he levelled his decisions against Ms. Verschuren.