Mr. Chair, I wouldn't want to speak in terms of any kind of personal information we hold, but what I would say is that the Ethics Commissioner has been clear in his report that she was referred to his office and that there was a lengthy discussion, so I do think that is absolutely a best practice.
There are cases sometimes, as I've said, where the mitigation cannot be accomplished and the individual cannot be appointed. This was not the view of the Ethics Commissioner's office in this set of circumstances. If the rules for public office holders had been adhered to in terms of recusal and the act had been respected, I think that the commissioner's office thought it would be quite possible for her to serve in the chair role.