With the greatest of respect, Mr. Chair, all I can say is that if, in fact, there are no emails, no communications whatsoever that can be found, it demonstrates that Ms. Verschuren's appointment was cooked up by Minister Bains to see that Justin Trudeau's preferred candidate was put in place. It demonstrates that the process.... There was no process. It was cooked up by Minister Bains. It was a sham to get this conflict-ridden person, Ms. Verschuren, who was receiving $12 million in funding from SDTC at the time of her appointment. It's a disgrace.