That's right, and we do have an Ethics Commissioner who has produced a report on Ms. Verschuren. I think my colleague Mr. Erskine-Smith has properly quoted the issues about Ms. Verschuren. I want to confirm this, because I get the sense that we're trying to tie the decision-making directly to you or to the minister's office, but you or your staff were never involved in the day-to-day operations of SDTC. Is that correct?
On October 30th, 2024. See this statement in context.