You're not a criminal investigator. You have responded to Mr. McCauley that the individuals you are working with, in terms of a repayment agreement, have signed a document that absolves them of any liability, any criminality and any responsibility. In essence, they chose, intentionally, to double, triple or perhaps quadruple time for the work they did. The Government of Canada paid them for those services. That, by its very definition, Madame Poulin, is fraud. That's an intentional act to deprive the taxpayer of funds.
How many of those subcontractors is the Government of Canada working with currently? How many? I would just like the number.