What I want to say here is that, again, I think there were two representatives, if you like, during my time playing the role of interfacing with SDTC. It wasn't Andrew Noseworthy the full time. I believe there was another person, who was the assistant deputy minister for the innovation programs.
In terms of their role, I do agree with the Auditor General's report, which says that there should be in place a stated description of what role that person is playing in the relationship between SDTC and the department. I agree with that. Having said that, in my experience.... This is partly why I pointed to the evaluation of 2018. If you look there, you will see that there's a detailed management action plan in response to the evaluation, which spells out in some detail what Andrew Noseworthy's role was.