Can I just finish this?
I happened to actually be the associate deputy minister of NRCan in 2007. There was an Auditor General's report in 2007 that actually sanctioned NRCan and Environment Canada for interfering too much in their operations and not respecting their independence. There's a very delicate balance in this case, and in all cases with agencies of this kind, in terms of the monitoring relationship.
Again, as I said, the responsibility for doing this fundamentally resides with the CEO and the chair of the board of SDTC.