No, but what I can tell you is that I met Jim Balsillie many times from 2015 to 2019, talking about these digital issues and the need for an IP strategy in the department, which was announced in 2018. He was focused on the patent collective. I had him invited into the department to meet deputy ministers to talk about his experience at his former company and what kinds of challenges he faced with IP trolls.
I can go on about that, but I'll stop.