Thanks, sir. I'm going to interrupt because I'm short of time.
It sounds like you were not aware.... This is not like one case of conflict of interest, or two, or 10, or 15. This was 90. It seems like the majority of the grant contributions were conflicted, and you're saying you were not aware of these.
I've been at committees for nine years—the government operations committee, this committee and other committees—and one thing that seems above all is that the bureaucracy, deputy ministers and ADMs are extremely risk-averse, and all have a CYA attitude. I'm trying to comprehend how there was such rampant conflict that your ADM, who would be going out of his way to ensure that he was covering himself, did not inform you of these and that you did not inform the minister.
How was all this kept secret, this rampant conflict of interest, hundreds of millions of taxpayers' dollars being possibly defrauded?