You have 40 years in the civil service. Ms. Verschuren is one of many people you worked with in a professional context over those 40 years.
You were answering Mr. Nater's question, and I think a more fulsome answer would be helpful because some confusion exists at this committee as to whether all conflicts are fatal or whether some conflicts can be managed. Obviously, there are some conflicts that are fatal and that are impossible to appropriately manage and to mitigate. This was a case, though, where Ms. Verschuren engaged with the Ethics Commissioner. We've obviously realized, unfortunately, in the end, that the conflict was mismanaged by Ms. Verschuren, pretty apparently.
At the outset of the appointment, did you think this was a conflict that could be managed, or did you think that it was fatal to the appointment?