I do not recall, sir, any circumstances where an individual didn't recuse themselves and leave the room. It is quite possible that it occurred, and I was not aware of it.
In the cases where I saw people recuse themselves, they left the room. I should also mention, sir, that in my experiences with SDTC, at no time did SDTC staff raise with me a concern about the application of conflict of interest rules by board members. I would have thought that, if there were a concern that board members were being inconsistent or if there were an issue, they would have raised it with me for discussion.