With respect to the knowledge of anyone else at the department—and let's include actually those in the minister's office—you were attending these board meetings and you were seeing the conflicts. Your testimony here today is very clear that you saw people recusing themselves as a general practice. That's a little bit at odds with what we heard from the Auditor General, but that's the general practice you witnessed, as you describe it.
That being the case, did you ever have a conversation with Minister Champagne about what you were witnessing at the committee?