He said there were six DMs who went to this meeting. They're all here. I think the only DM who went to this meeting—it was not six, first of all—was Mr. Flack. I don't believe Mr. Jean was there. I don't believe Ms. Biguzs was there, and I don't believe that Mr. Knubley was there.
As far as the clout of the foundation to get deputy ministers to come to meetings, I'll tell you, if I had been a deputy minister and got that invitation, I probably wouldn't have gone either. Deputies are busy people. They tend to send people who are lower down in the organization.
I'm sorry, but I just wanted to make that point.