I think I would point to a few of the reports that we've issued on aging IT infrastructure. I think it's taken the public service decades to get where it is, and there needs to be a path to go forward, as you say.
I think some of it is about ensuring that contracts related to IT have a clause and have requirements where there is transfer of knowledge and expertise, or skill set at least, to the public service. We need to upscale the public service in order to be able to rely less on external expertise going forward.