Well, Mr. Chairman, this is why we have Parliament and why we have debate. The member just talked about certain amendments they put in requiring some mandatory penalties that they thought were effective. Well, that's what debate is all about.
In fact, their implementations were found not to be effective. When you have, Mr. Chairman, handgun crime going up, when you have killings and aggravated assaults with handguns in the city of Toronto on the increase, these clearly show that what they had done related to gun crime was not working. In our view, it was not working.
Now, if they want to interpret those particular areas where you're seeing an increase in gun activity as a decrease, well, that's what Parliament's about. You can say that two and two is five and you can debate that if you want. That's what we do.
Just allow me to finish. You started; let me finish.