Evidence of meeting #20 for Public Safety and National Security in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was federal.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Chuck Sanderson  Executive Director, Emergency Measures Organization of Manitoba
Ken Pereira  Executive Vice-President, Operations Branch, Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission
Jim Young  Special Advisor to the Deputy Minister, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Canada (PSEPC)
Gerry Frappier  Director General, Directorate of Security and Safeguards, Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission

10:40 a.m.

Special Advisor to the Deputy Minister, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Canada (PSEPC)

Dr. Jim Young

When we went out and talked to the energy and other sectors about proprietary information, when we did our critical infrastructure tour across Canada, we heard from everybody, everywhere, that there has to be a sharing of information. But we can't share information if there's no protection of the proprietary part of the information.

When I'm in the United States—and I moderated a two-day energy industry panel—it's the same issue: you have to be able to protect proprietary information. Otherwise we're not prepared to give it to government; we're not prepared to work with them. Of course then we're doing the job with our hands tied behind our backs.

The flip side is that there are exceptional times when, for public safety reasons, some of that information, whether confidential or proprietary, has to be released. During SARS, certain people's medical conditions had to be discussed publicly, because we can't explain to people what we're doing and why we're doing it if we can't admit that someone has the illness. How we do studies and how we share that information had to be done.

Similarly, during the power blackout, we suspended the energy free market in North America. Then we could go to each operator and say, who is operating? Who is going to be back at what capacity? Then we made that information public. With the release of the information, we could say, this is why we're suggesting today that 50% of industry can operate, or 40% of industry. Also, this is why we're making the decisions we're making. That gave credibility to our actions. As soon as we could possibly reinstate the private market, we did, and we stopped giving out that information.

This bill really understands the balance, and it protects and allows for public dissemination. Both are very important principles.

10:45 a.m.

Executive Vice-President, Operations Branch, Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission

Ken Pereira

To add to what Dr. Young said, there's another aspect we're conscious about, and that is security. The release of some information might give rise to other threats, so besides proprietary information and privacy issues, we'd also be concerned about security issues.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

Does the bill does provide that balance?

10:45 a.m.

Executive Vice-President, Operations Branch, Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

Your thoughts, Mr. Sanderson.

10:45 a.m.

Executive Director, Emergency Measures Organization of Manitoba

Chuck Sanderson

It's a huge issue and always an issue at the provincial level, even down to the local level. In dealing with health issues, we have to be cognizant of protecting people's information, but at what cost to public safety?

Ambulance services use separate and distinct communication systems, because they don't dare accidentally let out some person's personal history, but the police and fire entities aren't able to connect with or talk to them. Somewhere along the line, this results in poor service to the public. So we have to be cognizant of this and try to work around it.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

Thank you, Chair.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Okay, thank you very much. We do not have any more questions.

I'd like to thank our witnesses very much. You've given us valuable information. We appreciate the time you've taken to be with us.

That brings us to the end of this meeting. Our witnesses are excused. Thank you very much, gentlemen.

We have a very short item of business to take care of.

This was the last of our hearings, and we will move to clause-by-clause, which is scheduled for our regular meeting on Tuesday, November 21. Next week we have a break week, so I would like to see if we could agree to set a deadline for the amendments to be in by 11 a.m. Monday, November 20. I forgot to mention, in both official languages, please. Get them translated and get them into the clerk of the committee. Are there any problems with that?

This meeting stands adjourned.