I can provide a little insight.
Certainly, I agree we need to understand the benefit we're getting when we use witness protection. If I can use an example that occurred this past weekend in Winnipeg.... We have been involved in the trial of a high-ranking Hells Angels member, which was I think a month and a half in the courts. Pivotal to that trial was an agent we used where witness protection was afforded. The reality is he was charged with nine counts of numerous charges, including criminal organization drug-related charges. The jury came back this weekend convicting on eight of those nine.
I can tell you almost with certainty that we would never have been before the courts if it had not been for the use of this particular agent and the use of the witness protection program. This particular agent will be in court a substantial amount for many other Hells Angels members and associates whom we have as a result of Project Defence, which we closed last year.
That's just one example. Clearly, we will not see success stories every time witness protection is used. Some will not work. Certainly we've seen some in Manitoba. But the success of the program is in the success of the prosecutions afterwards.