Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I'm going to share with Mr. Chan, so I'll be very brief.
My whole point is that in the absence of our own list, airlines will use other lists. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get any answers, and I think in the fall maybe we should bring in the airlines and IATA, groups like that.
I know from personal experience--not that I was personally affected myself--that the U.S. no-fly list is flawed, or was flawed. If we have a tight Canadian list, then it might be better. But I haven't been able to get any reassurance.
I'd like to build on Ms. Barnes' point. We're saying that you cannot call up your office to say, “Look, my name is so and so. Here's my date of birth. I'd like to know if I'm on the list or not”, but if I have computer access, I can go and see if I can get a boarding pass, and I'll know then. If I can get a boarding pass, I'm not on the list.
That doesn't make any sense. On the one hand you're saying, “We can't really tell you if you're on the list or not”, but if you have a computer and you can get a boarding pass, that means you're not on the list. I don't get it.