Mr. Jim Judd (Director, Canadian Security Intelligence Service) at the Public Safety and National Security Committee

Just let me check my numbers, if I could, Mr. Chairman.

To give you an idea of the change in size, 15 years ago the organization had about 2,750 people; five years ago, pre-9/11, it hit a low of 2,000; and post-9/11 it has grown by about 300 personnel.