Evidence of meeting #8 for Public Safety and National Security in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was firearms.

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4:50 p.m.

Bloc

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

It would have been nice if you had made the same argument to your minister at your caucus meeting. Before changing the rules, the legislation should have been changed, and the experts should have been heard here in committee. What would you have said if the Liberal government, when announcing changes to the marijuana legislation, had announced that pending the amendments to that legislation, everyone could smoke and traffic in marijuana in Canada and that there would be an amnesty? You would have said that before amending the marijuana legislation, you needed to hear from the experts.

Mr. MacKenzie, quite honestly, I think you are misinterpreting what you have heard here. If you think about it carefully, you will see that you are misinterpreting it. All we meant to say on this side of the table is that before changing the rules under the current legislation, the experts should have been heard. Since we haven't heard from any experts before amending the legislation, we are of the view that the legislation should apply as it was passed by Parliament. That's what Mr. Comartin clearly said.

If you wish to present a motion for us to hear from the experts, that, in my opinion, would be a way of delaying consideration of an urgent motion, and we will vote against it.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

If that's the way you feel, fair enough, but there were amnesties before, and I don't think this happened during that time. If you want to run that risk.... You're the people who said we should hear from the experts. If you want to go ahead and vote without hearing from them, you do that at your own peril.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Mr. Hawn.

And by the way, procedurally, we won't vote until there are no more speakers.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Laurie Hawn Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB

Just briefly, in support of what Mr. MacKenzie has said, we're not talking about changing the law, we're talking about an amnesty, which happened, by the previous government, eight times. We're not talking about changing the law.

I'd just like to make one comment on Mr. Alghabra's point, because I think he refuted his own point. He talked about somebody who commits a crime of passion, an unpremeditated crime. They're not going to think twice because their guns are registered. It's a crime of passion. They don't care whether the gun is registered or not. It's a crime of passion. They're not thinking, period. So it's irrelevant whether the gun is registered or not. It's clearly irrelevant. In a crime of passion, by definition, you're not thinking very clearly. He's not going to care whether his gun is registered or not. That's silly.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Mr. Holland.

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax—Pickering, ON

I move that we call the question, Mr. Chair.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

The debate is concluded? All right.

(Motion as amended agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Meeting adjourned.