Serge Ménard at the Public Safety and National Security Committee

I understand Mr. Therrien's opinion perfectly. I understand his reasoning, but that is not what I am saying.

I am saying that if a judge believed that a statement obtained under torture was credible and useful, even that judge should reject it. I hope, as he does, that all judges are going to find that a statement obtained under torture is not credible, but some day, a judge might find that, in the circumstances, a statement obtained under torture was credible. The amendment I am proposing would prevent that statement from being relied on in that case.

I think this is a nuance...