I appreciate that very much, since I'm not an accredited member of this committee.
I'd like to ask the witnesses two very specific things. In the report of this committee on the Anti-terrorism Act, there was a brief chapter on security certificates. There were two recommendations. One recommendation dealt with adding the word “reliable” to the type of evidence, and I notice that the government accepted that recommendation in paragraph 83.(1) (h), so I thank the government for that.
However, I'm a little unclear on the government's position on recommendation 52. Recommendation 52 recommended that a determination on the reasonableness of the certificate should be made before a determination on whether or not a person would be removed to possible torture. The new bill doesn't contain any provision similar to section 79 of the present act. So I guess taking that out of the act addresses the committee's recommendation. At least that's how I'm reading it. However, proposed subsection 77.(3) provides that once the certificate is referred there will be no proceeding respecting the person other than proceedings relating to some named sections. One of the named sections is section 112, and section 112 provides—and I'm a little confused about it, so I'm hoping somebody from the Immigration Department can help us out here—section 112 provides that a person may apply to the minister for protection if they're named in a certificate in subsection 77.(1). So they can apply for protection, and yet subsection 77.(3) says that refugee protection cannot be granted for a person who is named in a certificate in subsection 77.(1).
Is there a difference between refugee protection and the protection that section 112 talks about?