Let me be clear. I never said there was a reluctance to hire them. I understand that the human resources folks at Correctional Service of Canada are working double-time to recruit and retain those people. It is a challenge, and it feeds directly into the capacity issue, notwithstanding that you still have wait-lists at that institution, which is considered a heavily programmed institution. It's part of the landscape that we have to accept.
I think it's fair to say that provinces don't run programs to the same extent the federal system does, and most of that has to do with sentence length. The average length of stay in provincial corrections is less than 30 days. In fact, I think it might even be as low as 14. So it's hard to make program access comparisons between these systems.
You also talked about CORCAN and vocational training. The road map to public safety, the transformation agenda for Correctional Service of Canada, is heavily invested in vocational training. But I must caution you about CORCAN. A big part of CORCAN operations is their agricultural business, and the CORCAN farms are going to be closed as a result of the strategic review that the Correctional Service went through. I'm told that this process identified a potential of about $4 million in savings. That's an impressive number, but only if you think about it in terms of savings. Agricultural programming in corrections has been a feature in Canada for decades, going back at least to the Depression. So the $4 million, I would argue, is an investment in vocational programming, not a cost.