Thank you very much for being here, gentlemen.
I was making some notes as the questions were going back and forth, as I try to do at every committee meeting, especially those that I believe will be, in all probability, more concentrated on by the people who put us here and you serve. That is, of course, you serve a prison population but you also serve the community at large.
The first thing I look at is, should we be classing our prisons as social service agencies or should we class them as places where people go who commit crimes? And in this day and age they're generally serious crimes, because if they're less serious crimes, we tend to use probation and those other things. And when someone has committed an anti-social behaviour and they go to your institution, we want to do a few things with them. The first thing I would like them to understand is why they're there in the first place. The next thing is that they need to understand why they shouldn't go back. Then there's an obligation on society because we put them there, because usually they deserve to be there and we don't want them to come back. Then we get into the social service side of it all. The social service side says, how can we help you help yourself to get out of it?
Am I going down the right track here or do you disagree with what I've said?