I'll deal with the latter question first. We've never seen any information to suggest that anything of this sort has been happening here.
As for the first question, related to information obtained through torture, there is a decision that has been rendered by a member of this committee in the context of a complaint that was made, in which it was determined that at times, yes, CSIS does use information that was obtained through torture and that their overriding focus in doing so.... Obviously they do so in the context of investigating threats to the security of Canada. That's the first point to make.
Secondly, however, the deciding member identified the fact that rather than simply being concerned about the reliability of such information, which, as most of us will recognize, can be notoriously unreliable because of the circumstances in which it is obtained, CSIS should be more attentive to its obligations under the Canadian charter and Canada's obligations under various UN conventions prohibiting torture.
It has been identified as an issue and a concern. It's one of those very difficult questions.