Second, I'm going to read another couple of quotes back to Mr. Sullivan, because I think they will be of interest to our committee, which has been studying at great length the federal corrections system.
You said:
By focusing solely on sending guys to prison longer, we're not serving the majority of victims of crime out there.
Another quote:
We have to broaden our perspective of meeting victims' needs, and sentencing might be part of that, but it's a very small part for most victims.
Now the government tells us they're doing that because it's what victims want, or it's what Canadians want. I think you've identified that victims' needs are much more complicated than that. I'm wondering if you can elaborate a little more on that and tell us if you think we're going down the wrong path by focusing on locking more people up for longer and perhaps in harsher conditions, at least vis-à-vis victims.