Public Safety Committee on April 28th, 2010

[Shelly Glover, Conservative, Saint Boniface, MB]

On a point of order, Chair, I think I was on the list.

[Mark Holland, Liberal, Ajax—Pickering, ON]

No, no. After you move an amendment, once the amendment is carried or fails, then you move back to the person who had the floor.

This is my last amendment.

I'm going to make a motion that on the opening day we hear from Madam Hoeppner, that we hear on that opening day from the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, the Canadian Police Association, the RCMP, William Sweeney, and from the Canadian firearms program, Chief Superintendent Marty Cheliak.

[The Chair, Conservative, Garry Breitkreuz]

This really goes against what your previous motion was.

[Mark Holland, Liberal, Ajax—Pickering, ON]

Well, it's an amendment I'm putting on the floor.

[The Chair, Conservative, Garry Breitkreuz]

This is ridiculous.

[Mark Holland, Liberal, Ajax—Pickering, ON]

It's my last one.

[The Chair, Conservative, Garry Breitkreuz]

Okay.

Ms. Glover, you were next on my list.

[Shelly Glover, Conservative, Saint Boniface, MB]

Thank you. I hope we get an award for patience.

[The Chair, Conservative, Garry Breitkreuz]

Thank you. Yes, I'm sorry.

[Shelly Glover, Conservative, Saint Boniface, MB]

Has Mr. Holland finished?

[Mark Holland, Liberal, Ajax—Pickering, ON]

Sorry, on a point of order, this is on the amendment. Is that correct?

[The Chair, Conservative, Garry Breitkreuz]

Ms. Glover.

[Shelly Glover, Conservative, Saint Boniface, MB]

I was going to ask that we call for the question earlier. We continue to go over and over and over these new amendments and these new pushes by Mr. Holland, which, frankly, is why this is becoming more convoluted than it need be.

I understand he has the right to put forward amendment after amendment after amendment after amendment, but frankly, if his amendments go completely contrary to what the premise of the motion is, which is what his new amendment does, it's not valid, in my opinion. I would ask you to take that into consideration.

[The Chair, Conservative, Garry Breitkreuz]

I'm trying to be fair. I'm trying to be, but that amendment really is out of order, so I'm not going to allow that amendment. It is out of order.

[Mark Holland, Liberal, Ajax—Pickering, ON]

Mr. Chair, I'll challenge the chair on that.

[The Chair, Conservative, Garry Breitkreuz]

All those supporting the challenge, please raise your hand.

[The Clerk]

He wants the vote recorded.

[The Chair, Conservative, Garry Breitkreuz]

You can't have a point of order, I'm sorry, Mr. Comartin.

Pardon?

[Joe Comartin, NDP, Windsor—Tecumseh, ON]

The motion is to uphold the chair. If you're going to support the chair, it has to be a yea. I think you're doing it backwards.

[The Clerk]

That's what I was about to say. Supporting the chair is a yea and overturning his ruling is a nay.

(Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas 7; nays 4)

[The Chair, Conservative, Garry Breitkreuz]

Ms. Glover, are you done?

[Shelly Glover, Conservative, Saint Boniface, MB]

I want to call the question and vote on Ms. Mourani's well-thought-out motion.

[The Chair, Conservative, Garry Breitkreuz]

All right.

All those in favour of the motion as amended.

(Motion agreed to) [See Minutes of Proceedings]

I guess that brings this meeting to an end.

I will work as well as I can with the information that we have been given here. We have decided on 33 witnesses, which means five or six per meeting. So the first 50 to 60 minutes of every meeting we'll be hearing from our witnesses, and then we'll go to questions and comments. Some meetings may have two on one side and four on the other, some may have three, some may have two on one side. I will try to make it as fair as possible.

[The Clerk]

The parties should submit their witnesses by tomorrow.

[The Chair, Conservative, Garry Breitkreuz]

Yes, the parties have to submit their witnesses by tomorrow.

This meeting stands adjourned.