Okay. You can understand my hesitation in believing that, when we have reports by justices who say that excuse has been used, and you just told me sometimes it's impossible to know and sometimes it is.
Let's take Afghanistan specifically. How can you know when that information is obtained by torture or not? How could you possibly know that? You're dealing with the secret police, an agency that is well known to be engaging regularly in torture, and you're saying there's information being exchanged. How could you possibly draw that line, particularly when we know that Justice O'Connor and Justice Iacobucci have said that line has been so improperly drawn in the past?