Evidence of meeting #21 for Public Safety and National Security in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was firearm.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jacques Dupuis  Minister of Public Safety, Government of Québec
Sheila Fraser  Auditor General of Canada, Office of the Auditor General of Canada
Alain Cossette  Director General, Fédération québécoise des chasseurs et pêcheurs
Bernard Pelletier  Volunteer Master Instructor in Gun Safety, Security Nature, Fédération québécoise des chasseurs et pêcheurs
Tony Bernardo  Executive Director, Canadian Shooting Sports Association
Diana Cabrera  Member, Canadian Shooting Sports Association
Katherine Austin Leonard  Member, Canadian Paediatric Society

5:15 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Mr. Chairman, I would first like to say to Mr. Cossette and Mr. Pelletier that we like hunters and fishers You must not believe--

5:15 p.m.

Director General, Fédération québécoise des chasseurs et pêcheurs

Alain Cossette

Good, then support our activities!

5:15 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

The Bloc Québécois has a number of hunters among its members. Personally, I like fishing. As I see it, however, the debate is not at that level.

My questions are addressed to Mr. Bernardo. Mr. Bernardo, you are part of a firearms advisory committee established by the former Minister of Public Safety, Mr. Day, if I am not mistaken.

5:15 p.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Shooting Sports Association

Tony Bernardo

That's correct.

5:15 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

That committee includes Mr. Torino, Mr. Gary Mauser—who seems to be an expert in that area who is often quoted—yourself, Mr. Cossette, Ms. Linda Thorn, if I am not mistaken, and Mr. Farrant, whom we saw yesterday. A lot of people sit on that committee.

Is it true that it is composed solely of individuals who support this bill and who, in a way, support the deregulation of firearms?

5:15 p.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Shooting Sports Association

Tony Bernardo

I cannot tell you what the consensus of the committee is in that regard, ma'am, because we report to a cabinet minister. You would have to ask him what the consensus on that is. We have not met recently.

5:15 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

When was your last report? You say that you report to a minister. Do you do that in writing and submit the report to the minister?

5:15 p.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Shooting Sports Association

Tony Bernardo

I'm sorry, but I am bound under a confidentiality agreement to the minister. You would have to ask him that question.

5:15 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

As I understand it, there may be a report.

Mr. Bernardo, please tell me if what I say is incorrect. The day after the tragedy at Dawson College, the Canadian Press quoted you. You apparently said that you have a Beretta CX4 Storm. Is that correct?

May 27th, 2010 / 5:15 p.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Shooting Sports Association

Tony Bernardo

Continue, please.

5:15 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

So, I am not mistaken; you do actually own a Beretta, do you not?

5:15 p.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Shooting Sports Association

Tony Bernardo

What's the question?

5:15 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

I am asking you whether you own a Beretta CX4 Storm. Do you own that gun, yes or no?

5:20 p.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Shooting Sports Association

Tony Bernardo

I don't remember if I did say that or not.

5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

No: do you have a Beretta Cx4 Storm?

5:20 p.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Shooting Sports Association

Tony Bernardo

Do I have that gun?

5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Yes.

5:20 p.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Shooting Sports Association

Tony Bernardo

I'm sorry, ma'am, but--

5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

You don't have it?

5:20 p.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Shooting Sports Association

Tony Bernardo

--that isn't any of your business, okay? Firearms information could get my family killed. I will not do it in a public forum. Thank you.

5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

That is what you told the Canadian Press. It says that you own a Beretta CX4 Storm.

5:20 p.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Shooting Sports Association

Tony Bernardo

I may have had one at that time, yes.

5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

You said, and I quote: “To be perfectly honest it's a lot of fun to shoot. The little pistol calibre it comes in gives virtually no recoil. It's very accurate. The firearm is just one of those firearms that's just a lot of fun to spend a day at the range with.”

Do you remember saying that?

5:20 p.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Shooting Sports Association

Tony Bernardo

Well, let me ask you, ma'am, why else would anybody spend $1,200 to buy one? That's what it's for. It's a target firearm. People would spend $1,200 so they could go to a range and enjoy the pleasure of shooting it. That's what it's for.

5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

What do you think of the fact that this firearm, in particular, was used during the shootings at Dawson College? Should it be regulated? Do you think there is a need to register it? Are you in favour of registering handguns? Is it only long guns that pose a problem for you?