My suggestion for what we could do is.... Because we have two witnesses that have declined the invitation of the committee, I have suggested that there are two options on how you handle them, and they're both the same.
One is to make a phone call to the witnesses and advise them that they can come voluntarily or they will be subpoenaed. I think that's being very generous to them. That gives them the opportunity of appearing before committee without being forced and being dragged kicking and screaming to the table.
I think if they know that a subpoena is coming, they'd be pretty likely to say yes and to reconsider. But I'm amenable as well, if Madame Mourani would prefer, to just jump directly to a subpoena for both of these witnesses. I'm also amenable to that, but let me just say that for the meeting we are going to have with respect to matters arising from statements by Mr. Fadden, given now that we only have a witness--because we can't force the minister to appear before the committee and he has refused--I would suggest that in the second hour we have an opportunity to debate a motion that I'll be working on and submitting.
That way, we can have that second hour being productive and continuing to be used for the purpose the committee originally intended. I'll be giving notice of that motion and will of course submit it well in advance of the 48 hours.