Thank you, Mr. Chair. If it's okay with Mr. Holland, Mr. Chair, it's okay with me.
By the way, I'm speaking primarily to the folks at home. That's how I usually do this. That is I think the reason that this is being televised. Of course, the people at home know that this is an adversarial atmosphere, opposition and government. The opposition tries to make the government look bad; the government tries to make itself look good. That's the way it is.
In this particular case, I will deal specifically with Mr. Small. Mr. Kania's questions weren't designed to solicit that much of a response from Mr. Small but to let the people at home know his particular slant on what was said when the minister was here.
My questioning will be actually specific to the Ontario government, and in particular, Mr. Small, to yourself, in that your organization was responsible for a certain part of the incarceration of people who were arrested. Normally when someone is arrested and brought to your institution--and you can correct me if I'm wrong--they come there primarily in two ways. They come with either a remand order, which was the case, I believe, in this circumstance, or they come with a warrant of committal. In either case, you don't accept people into your institution without some kind of paperwork, I would gather. Were there remand orders or were they just verbal?