I think that point is quite clear. As Mr. Holland mentioned, there are different rates of recidivism in our two countries. As Mr. Conroy mentioned earlier, in the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 in the United States, rehabilitation was removed as a principle of sentencing there. Also, Canadians would not be eligible for rehabilitative programs if serving time in the United States.
Of course, it varies from country to country, but there is very little impetus for foreign states to spend rehabilitative resources on Canadians, since Canadians will be deported back to Canada when they've served their sentence or are otherwise eligible for release in the other country. Then that person becomes Canada's problem, with no rehabilitation at all. This creates a situation wherein, as I was mentioning in my presentation earlier, all the problems that existed before the offence was committed and before sentencing are even worsened now.
As Mr. Conroy mentioned, prisons are not good at rehabilitating people. People become worse the longer they spend there and the fewer programs they have. So it's very important to have strong rehabilitative programs if we are going to have people return to Canada and become productive members of our society, which is a vital goal.